Zedorus420 (August 29th, 2008 @ 4:53 pm)

There was 2 days of un-controlled rioting before the actual shooting took place. Do you really think people are still going to class when there has been riots going on? Don't make disparaging remarks because of conflicting perceptions, it makes it seem you lack confidence regarding the actual issue. Little debate team info for ya

Zedorus420 (August 29th, 2008 @ 4:51 pm)

You completely deflecting the original argument. I made an observation, and you eluded to putting it in context of the rest of the world. Upon reply you narrowed it to first world democracies. Considering how few of those existed, especially at that time. I'm curious as to what country's do you deem as "peers" to our's? I would say by your second posting "single lens without the contextualisation of how the rest of the world operates" compared to the rest of the world, we're doin pretty good.

feymary (August 29th, 2008 @ 2:27 pm)

You are correct - however he did think de Gaulle might become one which is what my comment above referred to Cheers

mastadon1976 (August 29th, 2008 @ 12:06 pm)

Zedorus:If they were just innocent kids walking to class why was one of the buildings already set on fire? I said 2 were innocent(at least by your definition). One was walking to class,the other an ROTC. You're a fucking idiot if you believe anything else.Can't a young adult just ignore the bullshit and just try to go about their day?

ajgolfer1 (August 29th, 2008 @ 11:21 am)

roosevelt was no dictator.

feymary (August 29th, 2008 @ 2:21 am)

Hmmm... I though I made it pretty clear in my first post about Western democracies sending in the troops against Uni students but accept I may have muddied your waters on the second post. However Spain was a dictatorship 1947-1975 under General Franco and during the period you have cited. France was also a semi dictatorship during this period under General de Gaulle. Even Roosevelt is on record as calling him 'the budding dictator'. Do you want your country to be rated as peers to these?

Zedorus420 (August 28th, 2008 @ 5:23 pm)

If they were just innocent kids walking to class why was one of the buildings already set on fire?

Zedorus420 (August 28th, 2008 @ 5:21 pm)

I believe your words were "the rest of the world", you have to remember that what you call first world democracies are few and far between. Extremely violent riots happened in France during that same period of time, along with Spain, London, and a whole heap of other "third world" countries. You really need to brush up on you facts. I'm not saying what happened at Kent was good, i'm saying it was what i consider an appropriate reaction to a dangerous situation.

feymary (August 28th, 2008 @ 4:19 pm)

Well it depends whether you want to compare against third world countries and dictatorships or whether you want to compare against other first world countries and democracies I suppose. Sending in the troops against civilians in your own country tends to be a feature of non democratic countries rather than democracies. It all depends on whether you would prefer to be an example of what is an excellent democracy or something that is marginally better than a dictatorship I suppose.

Zedorus420 (August 28th, 2008 @ 3:21 am)

I would like to think i have a fairly broad perspective of history. Considering what happens other places in the world for example in Tianmen square, or the violence at the Mexico olympics in 1968 or anywhere else in the world in 1968 for that matter. By your logic what the rest of the world is doing is reasonable? Really, i find that completely irrational and frankly quite amusing. Feel free to continue this debate, i'll go with this forever. Holla back...

feymary (August 27th, 2008 @ 10:24 pm)

Perhaps you need to broaden your history major then - If you are viewing your own country's history through a single lens without the contextualisation of how the rest of the world operates then you run the risk of an extremely insular view of what is reasonable and whats not. It was compulsory in my History degree to study at least one other culture in depth as well as your own. I'd highly recommend it.

bluensunshine (August 27th, 2008 @ 11:43 am)

Brave people doing the right thing ~ fascism fears free speech ~ murders and invades peaCeaNDloVeandnOMorewaR